If you need HYPP info on a horse you are buying/breeding

[ToveroMom]

Originally Posted by snickers

That information can be gathered through a web search and on the AQHA website.

I think Tmom posted the link for just the names.

Why yes,I did list it for the names.
Horses with papers issued before the reg came into force will NOT have the HYPP status listed-so the above list is quite pertinant...IMO

[Slim Pikkens]

It's too bad HYPP has been singled out as being so worrisome. There are other gene flaws that are far worse, plus quirks of nature. If the focus is on hypp what about parrot mouth, ringbone, spavins, buck shins, cow hocks? These don't come about by happenstance, someone breeds them.

[ToveroMom]

But Slim of the whole laundry list of items you listed...only HYPP has a test. It could be made a thing of the past ...absolutely GONE.

[Linebacker55]

Originally Posted by ToveroMom

But Slim of the whole laundry list of items you listed...only HYPP has a test. It could be made a thing of the past ...absolutely GONE.

You said it! Things like HYPP and Herda that are Genetic and have a test can be bred out easily and quickly!

[Slim Pikkens]

Right now I think there are bigger issues than Hypp or other genetic diseases. I refer to the overabundance of horses in today's declining economy. Too many unwanted colts are going to slaughter as are other unwanted horses. People are quick to point to the large breeders but the number of backyard breeders who think "Dolly" should be bred as a colt would be so cute, contribute greatly to these numbers going to slaughter. When someone talks to me of breeding "Dolly" my first question is why, probably not the response they are looking for. I suggest they shop for one that is already on the ground. I've seen mares with very poor conformation bred to the only available stallion which should have been gelded. By the time the colt is a yearling and the winter feed bill will double it's not so fun anymore so it's off to the nearest auction with no regard for where it will wind up. And that's my vent!

[SpotButt]

Originally Posted by taisjia

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/hez+maid+to+glo this is his sire's info.there are some pics too. like his breeding
I'll some more looking into his dam

There is No Impressive breeding in this horse. You have NO HYPP worries at all.

What great bloodlines! As an ApHC lover I would love to see pictures please!!!!

[SpotButt]

I just bought an HYPP N/H gelding - I had absolutely NO RESERVATIONS about buying him. My expirences with Impressive bred horses - including owning numerous horses on those lists and their progeny have ALL BEEN WONDERFUL!

We used to send a couple of mares a year to Impressive and then to Diversified. I never ever ever ever had one HYPP episode and we were feeding them to WIN - there were no tests back then. No special diets. I wanted big correct good minded horses I could halter and then ride. I got one every single time going to Impressive or a quality son of his. HYPP is a serious disease. But in MY opinion it is WAY over blown!!!

*Cheers to Impressive! One of the greatest horses to ever grace this Earth!*

JMHO!

[Linebacker55]

Originally Posted by SpotButt

I just bought an HYPP N/H gelding - I had absolutely NO RESERVATIONS about buying him. My expirences with Impressive bred horses - including owning numerous horses on those lists and their progeny have ALL BEEN WONDERFUL!

We used to send a couple of mares a year to Impressive and then to Diversified. I never ever ever ever had one HYPP episode and we were feeding them to WIN - there were no tests back then. No special diets. I wanted big correct good minded horses I could halter and then ride. I got one every single time going to Impressive or a quality son of his. HYPP is a serious disease. But in MY opinion it is WAY over blown!!!

*Cheers to Impressive! One of the greatest horses to ever grace this Earth!*

JMHO!

I agree that Impressive was one of the greatest sires ever. Almost all of our horses are Impressive bred, however we do go the opposite way, we only have N/N Horses.

IT is an over blown fear yes, but the bottom line is that it is a genetic defect that could easily be bred out of horses. I have looked at HYPP positive horses, but the risk just is not worth the benefit in my opinion and even moreso my wifes opinion.

But you said the key words.. N/H GELDING....

[ToveroMom]

Well I am glad you had such good luck with your N/H horses and we have yet to see any issues with the N/H horse we got a few mos back....HOWEVER.
There are indeed risks to N/H horses and even asymptomatic horses can end up having a spell at some point.
It is just a fact of life you have to deal with.
It is something I wish WOULD end up being resolved by no longer breeding positive horses. There is no need to. I know-I hear all the"To be competitive in the halter arena we need them." I just do not believe we do.
I hope the things we all learned from the Impressive situation will make things better to deal with the HERDA situation. I hope early on people test and do not breed positives to positives.
I mean we humans can learn from the past,right?

[Slim Pikkens]

One thing I've learned about HYPP n/h is to keep the water going in the front end and the urine out the other, which carries potassium with it. That is why a diuretic is given to these horses on longer trailer rides as many horses don't drink in the trailer. Sometimes show stress can put horses off their water and all owners should be diligent about enticing the horse to drink, not just HYPP owners. I've been told lots of stupid stuff about these horses but a lengthy discussion with my vet cleared this up. eg. "if he gets a little broncy it's because of HYPP" - not, it's a hole in his training.

[pvf]

I think its a good website. I will be putting our stallions info on there as well. Since he is N/N.

[championhorse]

Originally Posted by Slim Pikkens

Right now I think there are bigger issues than Hypp or other genetic diseases. I refer to the overabundance of horses in today's declining economy. Too many unwanted colts are going to slaughter as are other unwanted horses. People are quick to point to the large breeders but the number of backyard breeders who think "Dolly" should be bred as a colt would be so cute, contribute greatly to these numbers going to slaughter. When someone talks to me of breeding "Dolly" my first question is why, probably not the response they are looking for. I suggest they shop for one that is already on the ground. I've seen mares with very poor conformation bred to the only available stallion which should have been gelded. By the time the colt is a yearling and the winter feed bill will double it's not so fun anymore so it's off to the nearest auction with no regard for where it will wind up. And that's my vent!

AMEN!

[championhorse]

Originally Posted by SpotButt

We used to send a couple of mares a year to Impressive and then to Diversified. I never ever ever ever had one HYPP episode and we were feeding them to WIN - there were no tests back then. No special diets. I wanted big correct good minded horses I could halter and then ride. I got one every single time going to Impressive or a quality son of his. HYPP is a serious disease. But in MY opinion it is WAY over blown!!!

*Cheers to Impressive! One of the greatest horses to ever grace this Earth!*

JMHO!

I have also had N/H horses for many years, with no symptoms....until this year. We had a baby have some symptoms. He was fine, just stood there eating, like nothing was wrong, but by the looks of what looked like a river running over his body, I knew otherwise.

He is fine, I sold him back to the lady that owns the stud (who was non symptomatic, but then died as a 3 year old.)

I can see this from both sides, because yeah they don't happen that often (episodes) But after seeing one, and the helpless feeling in your stomach that you get when you know besides giving them some light syrup and waiting on a vet to get there to I.V. them. you don't have much you can do.

Don't care to see another episode either.

I do agree impressive was a nice horse, and most of my horses have impressive in them.

I think HYPP can be serious, but I think we have more of a problem with other things, like slim said.

Of course now that we do know more about what sets a horse into a spell with HYPP, its safer to follow the guidelines.

[ambrey]

Originally Posted by championhorse

I think HYPP can be serious, but I think we have more of a problem with other things, like slim said.

I didn't realize it was only possible to be concerned with a single problem at a time . Can't people educate themselves about HYPP and check the status of their horses while still being concerned with the larger problem of overpopulation?

I might get smacked upside the head for this, but it seems like an unkindness to an N/H horse to not a) know his status, and b) make sure he is always owned by people educated in dealing with HYPP syndrome. It seems like we have a responsibility as horse owners to make sure that all of our horses' medical needs are well known and taken care of.

And this being the case, in my opinion, there can't be too much education, and discouraging people who feel unprepared to deal with these needs from owning horses who carry HYPP genes seems like the right thing to do for the well being of the horse.

[championhorse]

Originally Posted by ambrey

I might get smacked upside the head for this, but it seems like an unkindness to an N/H horse to not a) know his status, and b) make sure he is always owned by people educated in dealing with HYPP syndrome. It seems like we have a responsibility as horse owners to make sure that all of our horses' medical needs are well known and taken care of.

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Well in the real world, many people own N/H horses and have no idea how to deal with them when they have an episode. I'm sure there have been many cases where the people have stood there and watched them die, because they had no idea what to do for them.

You have N/H horses that ARE symptomatic and you have the ones that carry but never have a spell. Sometimes they never have any until later.

Yes I agree people should be informed about it, and it is in the best interest of the horse to have them tested and probably not breed them, but in the real world outside horsetopia, some people just don't care about N/H and actually like the N/H horses better.

Some breed hoping to get an N/H horse. Because lots of times, they are bulkier and/or easier to fit. Or just like the looks of them better.

I wasn't saying I didn't think it wasn't a big thing to worry about N/H horses. I agree it is a problem, but I also agree with Slim, that there can also be bigger problems out there too.

I think its a good thing to look into their status and for the most part, I agree with you.

No worries here, no head smacking, you make a good point. It's just too bad other people in the world don't have your same outlook on this stuff.

HYPP is nothing NEW to me, like I said we have been dealing with it ahwile now. I agree with you people should have their horses tested, and I wasn't saying that they shouldn't.

[snickers]

A defect is a defect, no matter how you sugar coat it and is a real problem in the real world.

Breeding and knowing it can and will be passed is IMO not responsible horse ownership.

Yes, there are many other things we can and may need to worry about, but this one is at the top of many peoples list.

If there is a test, have the horse tested and if it is not a breeding candidate, then geld or spayed the horse and then maybe it can start to be bred out.

Even if it is none sypmtomatic, the horse can still pass on symptomatic to the foals.

Age old debate that will last long into the future.

Education and responsible breeding.

And I have a Impressive bred, N/N.

[championhorse]

and b) make sure he is always owned by people educated in dealing with HYPP syndrome.
People sometimes lose or get rid of papers on N/H horses, who end up at an auction, who someone buys and then decides to breed, some are not only N/H but also H/H and then we have horses that have problems that No one knows what is wrong with them. I'm sure lots of people have seen one have an episode and they had no idea what was even happening to it.

So this is one of the reasons why it isn't possible to only have people own N/H horses that know how to deal with them...which is only one of the reasons why I worry more about the over population problem, of just breeding horses to breed them, to make a buck...and now we have more problems. The problems go deeper than just if a horse is N/H or not.

And in a big amount of the cases, if someone is breeding hoping for an N/H.... they know the status. (although I wouldn't doubt some with an H/H horse that can not be registered, taking them to an auction and dumping them without papers. Which only ads to the problem.)

But yes I agree people should be educated on this, and all should have their horses status known. I agree with that 100%

I also do NOT breed N/H horses, and I will not breed them in the future. I am with the main majority here, I am just stating why other people do this. and why its going to be a problem for a long time.

I am not against buying an N/H horse. I have bought them in the past, like the baby I bought that had it this year, that had the episode. Knowing the status and what to feed them does help. (It was my fault that the baby had the episode, I accidentally threw him a flake of Alfalfa) There are some great HYPP N/H horses out there too. But I am never going to breed one myself, and it wouldn't hurt me at all if someone got rid of HYPP all together...but thats going to be a long time down the road, if we can even get rid of it at all.
And like snickers said this is an "Age old debate that will last long into the future."

[ToveroMom]

Yes I agree breeding a horse with an ovious flaw is a sin-but breeding one with a defect that you can test for[and so prevent] is a BIG sin

[championhorse]

Another reason why I find bigger things to worry about than an N/H horse. Also a reason why N/H will be around for awhile.



http://www.lotsofpinesfarm.com/ Kids classic style. Here is just ONE N/H horse, whos stud fee is 3,500. People WANT to breed their horses to this horse pretty badly. because they are paying 3,500 just to breed to him. (hoping for another freak of nature).

Will these people geld this horse? NO
Honestly if people where paying you 3,500 o pop, would you geld him?
Knowing you may get an N/H horse, you know what diet to put them on and what not.

N/H isn't going to go anywhere, because people WANT to breed and get N/H horses.

Even if they were to get an H/H horse from this combo. They could still get a lot of money out of the baby, just becasue of who its sire is.

For me to think about N/H horses. I hate it, I think its awful when they are symptomatic, and its a horrible thing, but most people that have and raise them, at least try and help them have normal lives.

Now as for the auctions, and over breeding, not even knowing you are breeding N/H horses or H/H just because you want to make a buck. You have no papers, no history, just think its ok because they can make some money. Or heck, if they go to slaughter, who cares I've still made some money. To me this is FAR worse.
Baby horses going to slaughter, (Or hiding them in a back pasture so they can starve to death) Horses dying from Hypp spells and no one knowing what was even wrong with them, or what to look for, or to even try and prevent episodes.

I'm not heartless but when I hear people mention N/H it doesn't have the same effect on me as it does on those that are just realizing what it is, because its been around awhile now.
Because most of these N/H horses live a life of royalty.

While others in this world are being abused, and starved to death, and some guy is just out to sell babies to slaughter to make a 100 here or there. It doesn't matter what kind of diet or meds a HERDA horse is on. They are probably in more pain, and there isn't any hope for them. http://horsecity.com/stories/031204/hea_herda_KT.shtml

Is HYPP a problem, yes.
would we be better off not to have it around yes.
Will it ever go away? not when people are paying money just to breed to an N/H horse. Not when some of the top horse people in this world, with all the money WANT to breed for N/H horses.
Not when it is still ok to paper N/H horses.
Not when the N/H horses are winning in the show ring, more often than not.


I have seen some N/N horses that can blow a N/H horse out of the water. So I know we would still have some great horses even if we got rid of the N/H horses. It just doesn't look like its going to go away anytime soon, and at least there are meds, and diets that we know can help an N/H horse.

its the overpopulation problem that is the worst to me. Because then we have abuse, starvation, babies on slaughter trucks, and people breeding N/H horses that don't know what to look for or do about it.

I still say all horses status should be checked, and that a HYPP symptomatic horse, can be a horrible thing, I just find it the less evil one, when it comes to some other things. I never one time said that I didn't think it was wrong ...I do.

But this post was to explain myself, as to why I found other things to be a bigger worry.

[ToveroMom]

LOL I was AGREEING with you.
LOTS of worries-just still think it sux more to do something you CAN test for.
I am not stupid or unaware. I feel strongly you do what you can. Testing and not breeding positive broodstock is one easy thing RESPONSIBLE breeders can do.
It does not mean there are no other issues.
This Topic is on HYPP though