Base Colors and Color Genes 101 - Page 2

OSUJillyBean · 06-08-2006, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Country Lady

I think I have it figured out

I should get a red dun foal from a reddish chestnut stallion and a red dun mare??? And same stallion and lineback buckskin mare could get red dun, buckskin or dunskin??? My luck both will be sorrel.

Thank-you

red stallion (ee) can only throw his red gene. Red dun mare will throw her red gene too. Foal will be basically sorrel udnerneath (ee). If only one parent is dun, then you've got about a 50/50 shot of the foal being dun as well. It all depends on if the mare throws her dun gene or not. If she's homozygous for dun though, then yep - the foal will be a red dun.

Country Lady · 06-09-2006, 10:37 AM

Thank-you, My lineback buckskin mare had a lineback buckskin filly, my red dunn mare had a red dunn stud, my chestnut mare had a sorrel filly, and we are still waiting for my liver chestnut mare to foal.

I have an idea that my buckskin mare is homozygus (?) as she has thrown buckskin every time no matter what color the stud.

I really appreciate the work you have put in on this topic as it helps some of us color impared folks try to make some sense out of the whole color thing.

Orchid · 06-09-2006, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Country Lady

I have an idea that my buckskin mare is homozygus (?) as she has thrown buckskin every time no matter what color the stud.

She may be homozygous for black, and for agouti, but she cannot be homozygous for the cream gene (she only has one, if she had two she would be a perlino) - so you have gotten very lucky with all buckskin babies!

Country Lady · 06-09-2006, 01:00 PM

AAHHH!! The mud is starting to clear. I am not really breeding for color, although it is a bonus, we like our lines and are happy with healthy foals.

But is is fun to try to figure it out and see what happens.

Thank-you for all of your input

palakida · 06-19-2006, 08:48 AM

so... two sorrels will only produce sorrel right?

But A sorrel bred to a bay could produce sorrel (if foal gets e from mom & e from dad), black (if E from bay parent and e from sorrel parent with no Aguti modifier) , or bay (if E from bay parent, e from sorrel, & Aguti modifier from bay) correct?

Very light palomino colt with green eyes out of sorrel & palomino parents? There is no way he is carrying two Ccr genes correct? I checked the champagne definitions and he doesn't really have the pumpkin colored freckling - Any ideas?

OSUJillyBean · 06-19-2006, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by palakida

so... two sorrels will only produce sorrel right?

But A sorrel bred to a bay could produce sorrel (if foal gets e from mom & e from dad), black (if E from bay parent and e from sorrel parent with no Aguti modifier) , or bay (if E from bay parent, e from sorrel, & Aguti modifier from bay) correct?

Very light palomino colt with green eyes out of sorrel & palomino parents? There is no way he is carrying two Ccr genes correct? I checked the champagne definitions and he doesn't really have the pumpkin colored freckling - Any ideas?

Yep to the first paragraph. You got it!

Sorrel parent has no Ccr gene so your colt is a palomino. Not sure about the green eyes - sounds pretty though!

palakida · 06-20-2006, 10:54 AM

Is roan a dominant gene like Gray or can it be carried like the aguti in a sorrel and not show up?

Orchid · 06-20-2006, 12:53 PM

Roan is a dominant gene - if a horse carries roan, it will show, the only time it won't is if it is covered by Grey.

bojo · 11-26-2006, 08:03 PM

Thank you for doing this! It's amazing that I'm almost getting this genetic color thing!! (ALMOST!)
In the grey section, it's stated

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Usually, red based horses tend to turn to a rose grey

My mare is this rose grey in the spring when she sheds off and before the summer sun turns her light dapple grey.
So, she would be red based. My question is, if she turns this rose grey, does that mean she's NOT GG? or does it not tell us anything? I've had her bred to a cremello stud. (CcrCcr, see I did learn something!! lol) I've had some very kind people explain that the baby would be buckskin or palimino with at least 50% chance of greying (since I don't know if she's GG or not). So, that's why I'm interested in whether or not the red base will tell me or I just wait it out for another 5 months.
Thanks again!

muttduck · 11-27-2006, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bojo

Thank you for doing this! It's amazing that I'm almost getting this genetic color thing!! (ALMOST!)
In the grey section, it's stated

Quote:

Usually, red based horses tend to turn to a rose grey

My mare is this rose grey in the spring when she sheds off and before the summer sun turns her light dapple grey.
So, she would be red based. My question is, if she turns this rose grey, does that mean she's NOT GG? or does it not tell us anything? I've had her bred to a cremello stud. (CcrCcr, see I did learn something!! lol) I've had some very kind people explain that the baby would be buckskin or palimino with at least 50% chance of greying (since I don't know if she's GG or not). So, that's why I'm interested in whether or not the red base will tell me or I just wait it out for another 5 months.
Thanks again!

If she is in fact Red based (remember a greying bay can look "rose grey", too) and you bred her to a Cremello, you'll only get a Palomino with a 50/50 shot of going grey.

Since we aren't certain of her base, you could get a palomino, a buckskin, or a smokey black - all with a 50/50 shot of greying out.

BornToRide · 01-16-2007, 05:21 PM

Wow, that was very good!!!!!

I've never been able to understand horsey genetics!!!!!

You made it seem almost simple! Great work!

muttduck · 03-01-2007, 06:16 AM

I'm adding this in here for easy reference. This is the link to the color calculator, where you can plug in your mare and stallion's colors and get a list of foal color possibilities.

http://www.animalgenetics.us/CCalculator1.asp

DoBeSassy · 04-30-2007, 09:43 PM

Muttduck, Not trying to sound impatient, but are you doing research on the tobiano and overo jenes right now? I am very excited to see the rest of this explained so I can understand

muttduck · 05-01-2007, 06:02 AM

Sorry, lack of time in a day has prevented my further work.

I will do my best to get Tobiano up soon, as that one should be quick and easy.

If you have questions though, while waiting, feel free to post them.

muttduck · 05-01-2007, 04:16 PM

Tobiano has been added.

DoBeSassy · 05-01-2007, 04:38 PM

Just wondering if you can illistrate a punnit (sp) square on how this works?
I can do them for simple combos, but not with this many variables. I know you prolly have better things to do, but if your ever sitting around one day wanting something to do. Maybe some of different difficulties, please?

muttduck · 05-01-2007, 05:20 PM

Uhm.... yeah....

Really, it would be complicated, but it could be done.

Which genes are you wanting combined, and do you want them hetero or homo?

DoBeSassy · 05-01-2007, 05:32 PM

I guess it doesnt matter. I just have to see it done to understand how to do it myself. I just need a refresher course to rmember how to do the harder ones

BarrelRacer,Pokey · 06-12-2007, 10:47 AM

How do you get a Roan(any color roan) and a Brindle? Let Me Know.

muttduck · 06-12-2007, 01:44 PM

Roan is the Roan gene, gotta have a Roan parent to get a Roan baby.
I'll be working on that gene soon.

Brindles, on the other hand are Chimeras, two seperate babies that merged during the really early stages of embryo development.

It is not so much a "color" as it is an "odd birth occurance." The darks hairs are one's genes, and the light hairs are from the other embryo.

There's no way to really breed for it "on purpose." If the Brindle is a mare, half her eggs could be the one set of genes, the other half could be the other... Same with a stallion - half the sperm would be the genes of one, and the other half would be the genes of the other.

Think of it as having a set of twins in one horse.

06-09-2006, 10:37 AM
Country Lady Halter broke Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Montana Posts: 60	Thank-you, My lineback buckskin mare had a lineback buckskin filly, my red dunn mare had a red dunn stud, my chestnut mare had a sorrel filly, and we are still waiting for my liver chestnut mare to foal. I have an idea that my buckskin mare is homozygus (?) as she has thrown buckskin every time no matter what color the stud. I really appreciate the work you have put in on this topic as it helps some of us color impared folks try to make some sense out of the whole color thing. __________________ lover of quarters and longears

06-09-2006, 01:00 PM
Country Lady Halter broke Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Montana Posts: 60	AAHHH!! The mud is starting to clear. I am not really breeding for color, although it is a bonus, we like our lines and are happy with healthy foals. But is is fun to try to figure it out and see what happens. Thank-you for all of your input __________________ lover of quarters and longears

06-19-2006, 08:48 AM
palakida Yearling Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 550	so... two sorrels will only produce sorrel right? But A sorrel bred to a bay could produce sorrel (if foal gets e from mom & e from dad), black (if E from bay parent and e from sorrel parent with no Aguti modifier) , or bay (if E from bay parent, e from sorrel, & Aguti modifier from bay) correct? Very light palomino colt with green eyes out of sorrel & palomino parents? There is no way he is carrying two Ccr genes correct? I checked the champagne definitions and he doesn't really have the pumpkin colored freckling - Any ideas? __________________ A child and a horse will make a liar out of you everytime. - www.palakidaranch.com

06-20-2006, 10:54 AM
palakida Yearling Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 550	Is roan a dominant gene like Gray or can it be carried like the aguti in a sorrel and not show up? __________________ A child and a horse will make a liar out of you everytime. - www.palakidaranch.com

06-20-2006, 12:53 PM
Orchid Bombproof Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 11,048	Roan is a dominant gene - if a horse carries roan, it will show, the only time it won't is if it is covered by Grey. __________________ Careful what you wish; Careful what you say; Careful what you wish; You may regret it; Careful what you wish; You just might get it. ~ Metallica, King Nothing

01-16-2007, 05:21 PM
BornToRide Coming two Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 1,639	Wow, that was very good!!!!! I've never been able to understand horsey genetics!!!!! You made it seem almost simple! Great work! __________________ There's something about the outside of a horse that's good for the inside of a man.-Winston Churchill

03-01-2007, 06:16 AM
muttduck Kid Safe Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Central Kentucky Posts: 6,957	I'm adding this in here for easy reference. This is the link to the color calculator, where you can plug in your mare and stallion's colors and get a list of foal color possibilities. http://www.animalgenetics.us/CCalculator1.asp __________________ Custom stall signs and pet portraits, Wood Burned by hand with your equine's (or pet's) image: www.WoodburnedPetPortraits.com Self Defense Supplies, Stun Guns, Pepper Sprays: https://selfprotectionsupplies.com/

04-30-2007, 09:43 PM
DoBeSassy Kid Safe Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 5,538	Muttduck, Not trying to sound impatient, but are you doing research on the tobiano and overo jenes right now? I am very excited to see the rest of this explained so I can understand

05-01-2007, 06:02 AM
muttduck Kid Safe Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Central Kentucky Posts: 6,957	Sorry, lack of time in a day has prevented my further work. I will do my best to get Tobiano up soon, as that one should be quick and easy. If you have questions though, while waiting, feel free to post them. __________________ Custom stall signs and pet portraits, Wood Burned by hand with your equine's (or pet's) image: www.WoodburnedPetPortraits.com Self Defense Supplies, Stun Guns, Pepper Sprays: https://selfprotectionsupplies.com/

05-01-2007, 04:16 PM
muttduck Kid Safe Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Central Kentucky Posts: 6,957	Tobiano has been added. __________________ Custom stall signs and pet portraits, Wood Burned by hand with your equine's (or pet's) image: www.WoodburnedPetPortraits.com Self Defense Supplies, Stun Guns, Pepper Sprays: https://selfprotectionsupplies.com/

05-01-2007, 04:38 PM
DoBeSassy Kid Safe Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 5,538	Just wondering if you can illistrate a punnit (sp) square on how this works? I can do them for simple combos, but not with this many variables. I know you prolly have better things to do, but if your ever sitting around one day wanting something to do. Maybe some of different difficulties, please?

05-01-2007, 05:20 PM
muttduck Kid Safe Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Central Kentucky Posts: 6,957	Uhm.... yeah.... Really, it would be complicated, but it could be done. Which genes are you wanting combined, and do you want them hetero or homo? __________________ Custom stall signs and pet portraits, Wood Burned by hand with your equine's (or pet's) image: www.WoodburnedPetPortraits.com Self Defense Supplies, Stun Guns, Pepper Sprays: https://selfprotectionsupplies.com/

05-01-2007, 05:32 PM
DoBeSassy Kid Safe Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 5,538	I guess it doesnt matter. I just have to see it done to understand how to do it myself. I just need a refresher course to rmember how to do the harder ones

06-12-2007, 10:47 AM
BarrelRacer,Pokey Newborn Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Iowa Posts: 35	Colors How do you get a Roan(any color roan) and a Brindle? Let Me Know.

06-12-2007, 01:44 PM
muttduck Kid Safe Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Central Kentucky Posts: 6,957	Roan is the Roan gene, gotta have a Roan parent to get a Roan baby. I'll be working on that gene soon. Brindles, on the other hand are Chimeras, two seperate babies that merged during the really early stages of embryo development. It is not so much a "color" as it is an "odd birth occurance." The darks hairs are one's genes, and the light hairs are from the other embryo. There's no way to really breed for it "on purpose." If the Brindle is a mare, half her eggs could be the one set of genes, the other half could be the other... Same with a stallion - half the sperm would be the genes of one, and the other half would be the genes of the other. Think of it as having a set of twins in one horse. __________________ Custom stall signs and pet portraits, Wood Burned by hand with your equine's (or pet's) image: www.WoodburnedPetPortraits.com Self Defense Supplies, Stun Guns, Pepper Sprays: https://selfprotectionsupplies.com/