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Old 01-31-2010, 01:30 PM  
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Registering a Horse

I'm not sure if this should go here or not but I was curious to know if you have a Quarter horse, Paint, Appaloosa, or any other breed whos dam was grade and sire was registered could you still get the horse registered(if it showed characteristics of the breed)?

I just saw a thread that mentioned a colt whos sire was registered and dam was grade and was just wondering if you could get the horse registered with the sires breed association.

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Old 01-31-2010, 02:21 PM  
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There are some half registries but there has to be proof. With the registries tightening up I wouldn't be surprised if you need DNA of the off-spring and the registered parent. If there is no proof then anyone can pick a stallion out of a hat and say it was the sire.
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Old 01-31-2010, 02:24 PM  
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Registering a horse

Many breeds, Quarter horses, Arabians, and Morgans come to mind, have a Half Breed registery where you can register your horse if one parent is a registered horse.

I think some color breeds like Paint Horse you can registered a horse out of unregistered stock, if it shows the correct color characteristics.

You can go to the breed registeries website, and they generally give guidelines on their rules for registering Half Bred horses.
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Old 01-31-2010, 04:04 PM  
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POA and Appaloosa registries come to mind.

POA will register by inspection. But I do think must meet breed standards.

Appaloosa will register a horse with characteristics of the breed, but only if gelded or spayed.

Racking horse registry and Spotted Saddle Horse registries have been open to registration by inspection. Not sure they still are.
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Old 01-31-2010, 06:20 PM  
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Cross AQHA off your list.

both parents have to be registered Quarter Horses and DNA checked before the offspring can be registered. The only other breed they allow is a registered Thoroughbred with DNA on file, and you get "Appendix" QH papers until the horse earns enough points at approved AQHA shows to graduate to the regular papers.
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Old 02-01-2010, 07:46 AM  
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Appaloosas, and I THINK Paints will hardship register horses with characteristics, but they must be gelded or spayed. AQHA will not, as both parents must be registered with the AQHA in order for the foal to be. If a foal has paint markings, it can be registered with the Pinto association, as they register on markings only.
I don't have any knowlege of any other associations, so I won't speak for those. But most likely, no matter which association you'd be dealing with, it will be a pain in the rear, and expensive!!!
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Old 02-01-2010, 09:08 AM  
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There is a Pinto "registry" which is color only. Means nothing but it's there for those who want a paper for their horse. TWH is DNA as well and others will be making the change. Forgeries or attempted forgeries are all to commonplace.
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Old 02-01-2010, 11:06 AM  
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Paints need to have two registered Paint parents or one reg. QH/one reg. Paint or one reg. Thoroughbred/one reg. Paint. The QH/Thoroughbred parent needs to be listed with APHA. This is APHA registration that I'm referring to.

If the registration is missing on one of the parents but the horse still has the paint markings, you can register with the Pinto horse registry.
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The Pinto Horse Assoc. (PtHA-- largest, oldest Pinto registry) will only register mares or geldings who have unreg. parentage-- to be eligible for PtHA registration, Pinto stallions must come from registered Pinto or registered approved breed registered parentage.
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Old 02-02-2010, 10:21 AM  
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Okay, so I have a question... my mare's dam is registed APHA solid colored, breeding stock, however it goes. I don't know who sired my mare- she and her dam were pulled from a kill pen when my mare was a yearling. Is there a way, or will there someday be a way, to send in a DNA sample from my mare and search the APHA, AQHA databases to find her sire? I'm relatively sure her sire was either QH or Paint, she's definitely stock-horse type.
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There is no searchable databases of DNA with these registries at this time that can assign parentage to a total unknown-- -- The DNA they have listed is for comparing known parents to their alleged offspring, or checking a foal's DNA against a specific list of possible sires-- so far they can't just pick a needle out of a haystack like you are describing.
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Old 02-02-2010, 11:32 PM  
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Your mare's dam is registered APHA? Do you know that dam's registered name? It might be possible to track down the owner at the time she was bred and get a name of the potential baby daddy that way...
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Would someone be so kind to explain to me what the purpose is of a hardship registration please? If it is possible to hardship register but the animal has to be spayed or gelded then why would someone go through the trouble and expense? Isn't that kind of the point?

If I had a great horse that was doing very well, I would want to eventually breed it because it is such a great animal and I would want to promote it.

Or, if that animal had offspring on the ground already when I hardship registered it, would I then be able to register the offspring after the original was "fixed"?
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I was under the impression that it was so you could show at Reg. shows, not so you could reg. any offspring.... unless it is an open registry, perhaps.
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>>>>> Would someone be so kind to explain to me what the purpose is of a hardship registration please? If it is possible to hardship register but the animal has to be spayed or gelded then why would someone go through the trouble and expense? Isn't that kind of the point?

>>>> If I had a great horse that was doing very well, I would want to eventually breed it because it is such a great animal and I would want to promote it.

>>>>> Or, if that animal had offspring on the ground already when I hardship registered it, would I then be able to register the offspring after the original was "fixed"?

People hardship register an Appaloosa gelding or spayed mare for showing purposes, or for participating with a registered Appaloosa in ApHC programs such as the saddle log, open show program, Chief Joseph trail ride, etc.

If there was offspring prior to the horse being fixed and hardship registered, they are not eligible to be registered.

As far as not being able to breed a good performer later on--there are many great performers even from well known bloodlines who are geldings which never go on to reproduce-- in fact there are many more geldings being shown than stallions. In some classes (youth for instance) you cannot show stallions. So if a hardshipped gelding is a great performer, he has fulfilled an important purpose. He has unknown or disallowed bloodlines, or else he would have been able to be registerable with full breeding rights as a potential stallion-- but being a good gelding is certainly not a bad or second class job for a horse to have.
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