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Old 06-10-2007, 08:47 AM  
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fencing emergency

Ok. I am in need of some serious help. We currently have bar wire fencing. The people who used to own this property just had donkeys. So I supose the fence was tall anuff for them, but not for us. I have lived here for almost 3 years, and over time the horses have bent them up by pushing on them till the post moves and when the post moves enough they step on the bottom and bend the top down so some parts aren’t 3 feet tall . I have been thinking about getting a new fence but have put it of cuz plenty of people on this road have worse fencing then me and there horses stay in. well this morning I go out and one of my horses is all tangled up in it. We ended up having to cut her out. So now we basically have no fence in one part.
Now here’s the question. What type of fencing should I use? All I know is it has to be tall; it has to be very sturdy.

1 steal pipes (are they really really strong)
2 wood (would they eat it? or is it hard to take care of?)
3 plastic/pvc pipes (would it break easer than the others)
4 barb or slick wire (would have to be 6 feet tall)

So as you can see I am very confused. So can some body HELP ME
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Old 06-10-2007, 08:53 AM  
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I, for one, would NEVER use barb wire for horses. I am going to redo mine using 3 strands of the white nylon 2" tape with a strand of hot wire.
Wood looks great but my neighbors needs constant care.
I love the vinyl but the cost is out of my pocket.
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Old 06-10-2007, 09:26 AM  
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We use barbless wire with T-posts - capped - and an electric tape on the top.

I would love no-climb, but it's out of our finances at the moment.

Vinyl is the top of the line if you can afford it!

I would definitely stay away from barbed wire unless you can get electric for the top strand to keep them off of it. I've seen some horrendous injuries due to barbed wire.
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Old 06-10-2007, 09:50 AM  
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Barbed wire and horses don't mix!

1 steal pipes (are they really really strong) I don't have any experience w/this fencing, but I would bet it would be strong.

2 wood (would they eat it? or is it hard to take care of?) We have wood fencing and love it. It requires maintenance, but what fence doesn't? (I know others require less, but the wood is strong and sturdy!)

3 plastic/pvc pipes (would it break easer than the others) If you have horses that are hard on fences, they're going to be hard on this! Horses tend to push up against this and once they figure they can push hard enough and pop the boards out, you're going to have your work cut out for you. I've seen people run a hot wire around the inside to keep them off the fence. I've also seen this stuff shatter into shards from a kick in the winter.

4 barb or slick wire (would have to be 6 feet tall) I would not put barbed wire anywhere where you have horses. Smooth hot wire is okay, but you need to make sure you keep it on so they leave it alone.

I don't like the look of tape and don't feel that it is very strong. I wouldn't feel safe putting my horses in it.

In the large baby pasture, we have one side near the woods fenced in with No climb diamond V mesh. Now that is one tough fence!! We run a board on top for visability.
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Old 06-10-2007, 10:18 AM  
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I have the "vinyl" - PVC, and have very good success with it. It has much more give than wood, so isn't prone to break. I've broken one slat myself trying to throw a big rock over the fence (duh!), and the horses have creased 2 others, but they are all still OK, so I have had no repairs or maintenance in 4 years.

The only drawbacks are it really needs pressure washing every 5 years or so to get the mildew off, and it isn't exactly cheap - cost me $20K to perimeter fence my 23 acre pasture. That included installation with all posts set in concrete.

The other drawback is if you have jumpers - mine is about 4 1/2 feet tall. My horses don't try to get out, but if you have to have a 5 1/2 foot fence it would cost even more.

The place had mule wire (barbless) when I bought it, but although it is safer than barbed wire, they can still get tangled up and cut.

Someday someone is going to invent the perfect fence - looks good, strong, safe, and cheap. There is no such combination right now, so you have to compromise and go with what is most important.

I don't believe in stalling horses, but I would stall mine before I used barbed wire, though...
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Horses respond to fencing for 2 reasons: Physical barrier, and Psychological barrier.

Sounds like your fencing is providing a physical barrier, but they have no respect for it.

What I would do is fix the broken part and then run 1-2 strands of electric tape around the inside of the fence. The electric fence will provide a psychological barrier that the horses will respect. This way, if the fence short circuit for any reason, you'll still have the original fence to keep them in. Also, it's probably the cheapest route to take. If you don't give them a reason to not abuse the fence (ie shock), they will keep leaning on it/abusing it no matter what fencing option you choose.

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Our pastures are all white oak hard wood and it's really sturdy. We have the odd horse that will nibble on the wood but that was in the round pen when used for turn out. We painted it with cresole (Black stuff) it looks fresh, lasted and the horses don't eat the wood with that on it.

Wire experiences, NOT good for me. My silly mare can't be behind wire she gets herself caught up in it. We only have 1 small pasture that has 6 foot tall page wire (square type) and she has been stuck from the bottom square to the very top square, from rearing, pawing of wrong step sideways. I hate that stuff!!

Where she came from they had electric and the horses didn't go anywhere near that fence.
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Old 06-10-2007, 11:15 AM  
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Some of you have mentioned hot wire. I tried that on a small part of my pasture cuz we have a backyard that borders the pasture and it’s made of chain link fence and they were leaning, trampling, and any thing else you could think of. So we tried it there and the one that got caught this morning just did not care, she just leaned on it till it broke . So it obviously won’t work for me.

With the wood suggestions. The problem is my horses will eat/chew on wood if they get bored. They do it a lot in the winter cuz I don’t ride as much. But if there is something I could put on it than maybe. Oh another thing I am afraid of with wood is rotting?

Vinyl/pvc see that just sound way to expensive, I don’t have a lot of money to spend on this. I would probable need something less expensive.

Lopin: what is No climb diamond V mesh ?

My first choice would be steel fencing, but again it would depend on the price. A person down the street has steal fencing and it looks so perfect. Very tall 5-6 ft. and all it has are to rails and then it is covered with chicken wire, which I need cuz I have dogs that get to run in the pasture.

Great suggestions guys keep them coming.
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Old 06-10-2007, 11:19 AM  
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You forgot to mention products like Centaur HTP fencing. Its several strands of steel wire encased in a vinyl "board" - it comes in rolls. It's a high-tension fence, and the vinyl keeps horses from getting tangled or cut by the wire (well, mostly - there are horses that insist on getting stuck in anything) It looks good, its strong and low-maintenance, not terribly expensive and reasonably safe for most horses. It can be used with wood or steel posts.

They also have a similar product that will carry a charge

Just Google Centaur Horse Fence and you will get lots of links to dealers and the Centaur website itself.
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Well the perfect fence for horses would be rubber, so they would bounce off. So if anyone can figure out how to recycle old tires into fence....they need to patent it
Then let me know so I can buy some....or wait....maybe you could give it to me for the suggestion.
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Old 06-10-2007, 12:35 PM  
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They do have such a thing!! I think it was very popular in the 80's. It's difficult to maintain though (sags horribly), and the horses will chew on it sometimes. They did bounce off it though!! I house-sat in a horsey neighborhood, and they all had this type of fencing made from old tires and conveyor belts. They were all in the process of replaicing it at the time, as it hadn't held up or maintained it's attractiveness. Bet you may be able to find some if you looked hard enough!
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Did you check the intesity of the shock in the hotwire? We have a super strong fencer where I board and I have seen it nearly knock down a 1300 pd horse! They come in a variety of strenghts and you need to moniter them to make sure they are working the entire parimeter. You need the super shocker model!!

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Old 06-10-2007, 01:18 PM  
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Lopin: what is No climb diamond V mesh ?
This is the stuff we have. http://www.redbrand.com/products/pro...=2&productID=5

This is what my vet has and she really likes it. Cost her $16K for 15 acres w/wood posts.
http://www.rammfence.com/fence/products.php?c=41&p=101

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Oh another thing I am afraid of with wood is rotting?
If you use a hardwood like Oak, it should last 20+ years before it needs to be replaced. My Dad replaced one of our friends wood fences last year that was 30 yrs old in some spots.
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Horses respond to fencing for 2 reasons: Physical barrier, and Psychological barrier.

Sounds like your fencing is providing a physical barrier, but they have no respect for it.

What I would do is fix the broken part and then run 1-2 strands of electric tape around the inside of the fence. The electric fence will provide a psychological barrier that the horses will respect. This way, if the fence short circuit for any reason, you'll still have the original fence to keep them in. Also, it's probably the cheapest route to take. If you don't give them a reason to not abuse the fence (ie shock), they will keep leaning on it/abusing it no matter what fencing option you choose.

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I would have to agree with Instigatorkate. Although all the other option out their sounds great and probably work wonders they are very expensive.
I would just sinch up all the old wire make sure it's all tight and add electirc fencing on the top just to deture them from leaning.
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Old 06-10-2007, 02:12 PM  
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Well, we are in the process of the same thing. When we bought this place, it was a small cattle ranch (35 acres) so yes, it does have barbed wire. We have been lucky and have only had minor incidences with it. That being said, I hate it and we are in the process of replacing it. We have decided on wood. I would LOVE to have the pvc fencing, it's the best in my opinion, but sadly, we are unable to afford it.

We are also lucky, our horses don't test, or push on our fences. We are starting on the cross fencing first, because it's in the worst shape, then we are going to work on the perimeter. Hint, you can use landscape timbers as the posts. They are pressure treated and cost $1.50 less (each) than the regular "posts". (That adds up, believe me.) To a certain extent, you can also do the fencing a little bit at a time as $$ permits. We liked the Centaur fencing too that Mr. T suggested, but we would have to do all of it at once, and that's a chunk of change. I didn't want to finance it. I like to pay cash for most everything.

The pipe fencing is also good. Strong and sturdy. But, also pricey unless you know someone who welds. (we don't) If you can do it yourself, you will save a lot of money. (We're doing our own fencing ourselves.)

I guess a big question would be how much land are you fencing? If you're only fencing a small area (5 acres or less) you can pretty much get whatever you want. But if you are talking 10 acres or more, with cross fencing etc, you will have to look at the cost more. (at least I did)

We have a solar charger for hot wiring our fences. We plan to use it for our stallions. Not because they really need it, but just in case. I like the tape for the hot wire, it's more visible and once they learn what it does, pretty much leave it alone. (although I, personally, wouldn't want just tape for fencing, especially if you have known fence testers)

Good luck and let us know what you decide!
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Did anyone mention ElectroBraid fencing? It's strong rope that is electrified. You did mention $ being an issue though, so I'd go with electic top on the top of the fence, to make it taller and hopefully keep them off it. I had a mare who didn't know electic, and ended up going through a temporary pen my friend had put her in, and I had a hard time finding her and was terrified (she was okay). So, it may sound harsh, but I had her reach out to get some grain, and she touched it with her muzzle, and she's never touched it since. I would only say this to try to teach a horse that has gone through it to respect it. I have electrocuted myself so many times, lol, so I know I don't want to touch it, but it won't kill me (or a horse) to touch it! If I touch mine, along with anything metal, it will throw me backwards, so just wondering if something could be grounding yours out? So, along with tightening up the wire, those are my ideas. Oh, I also put fence stays in to make it even more visible and add support. I bought them at a farm supply store. In case you're not familiar with them, I'll post a pic that has my cross fencing in the background, hope that helps!

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We haven't had any rotting issues with our wood fence. The previous farm owners didn't do much there so replacing fencing just wouldn't have been done. We had to replace a few posts that were I'd say 30 years plus old and looked like pine (softwood) All the planks are whilte oak and when we tore the big pen and other fencing down we were able to save the planks and reuse then to build the new pasture.

As long as you use a hard wood, usually most horse fencing is white oak (non-toxic) it last quite some time. If you use Pine or softwood then ya you'd be replacing it much more often.
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Old 06-11-2007, 11:29 AM  
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We have electric wire around 8 acres,and are planning to replace it with non-climb horse fence. When my brother put fence up it worked fine and we had no problems,over time the box went out and one of our horses will escape from field-he doesn't go off but it is aggravating to have to put him back in and we have to confine him in barn area when we are at work. Now that my brother is gone we can't figure out how to get new box working correctly-there is just my daughter and me,so we are able to put t- posts in ground and clips but can't figure out why we can't get box to work. A neighbor down the road has electric white rope and wire,his looks nice.
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I like the electrobraid type fencing but mine does the same thing except that it isn't as thick. Horses have rolled into it, gotten a leg caught and even jumped and caught the top rope with it's hind legs ... not even a rope burn. It's cheaper than electrobraid too. If you google Premier One Fencing and go to the endura soft rope. I love it! I don't reccommend barbed wire.
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Never had a problem w/ my electric tape--my horse even tried to go through it--she bounced off QUICKLY!!!!! I used 1 1/2 in. electric tape 4 strands. She hit it running, bouced off fell over and never never did it again. I do know she will test our portable camping pen to see if it is on. Other horses just seem to know--I think they can hear the clicking. Electric fencing works great esp. if you have a small set up and you really have to keep them off the fences.
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